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  Catholic women diacons...

  by mikeflood in

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  pope francis sets study commission for women diacons.....could the watchtower follow sometime in the future?.

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  Could the Watchtower follow sometime in the future?

  Only if they want to stay alive in the the 22nd century. I get the feeling that they rather commit suicide.
  
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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

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  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  They borrowed the Devil and demons concepts from their godless neighbors.

  That's a new one. Devil and demons, but no God. I always thought that God came first, then the Devil
  
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  After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

  by quincemyles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

  the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

  jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

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  Doesn`t the book of Job allude to a fallen Angel?

  No, I don't believe so. The so called fallen angel is a concept that was first hinted in the 1 Chronicles 21:1 (compare to 2 Samuel 24:1 where there is no Satan whatsoever). Any other time the word satan appears in the OT is a concept, someone who opposes or blocks or argues against, an accuser, an adversary, which is precisely the role of Satan in the book of Job. He is just someone who is having a different position from God. The word later evolved into a proper name with a capital "S", Satan. This is an idea that definitely is post Babylonian exile. Quite likely developed during the Persian or Greek periods
  
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  Listen to Terri O'Sullivan XJW on Croydon Radio !

  by Phizzy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  terri o'sullivan was interviewed by croydon radio for a programme called "leap of faith", it was broadcast on sunday.. she does a great job of showing how wacky and weird the jw beliefs and practices are, the interviewer asks perceptive questions, either he was well briefed by terri or he is an ex jw !.

  she also gives info.

  on her meetup group for xjw's, great fun !.

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  I am with Slim. The missing details may not justify the actions, but at least may soften the idea of mom being extreme. Possibly just an old fashion mom, but not extreme. My Catholic maternal grandma would have done exactly the same to my mother if she knew that my mom had come late and had been with a boyfriend. And my grandma would have had the approval of most people her age and generation.

  The problem with perceived exaggerations is that they may detract from the messenger's credibility, even when the message is accurate and fair.
  
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  Low Day For Me Today

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi guys.

  it's been about 4 or 5 weeks since i was disfellowshipped.

  so far it's been easy, i enjoyed being left alone, no one bothering me, no one telling me i need to do more, need to reach out, questioning why i didnt go on the ministry, and the fact that my ex-wifes family cant talk to me even if they wanted to.

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  Sorry pale emperor,

  I live in Los Angeles, and in a way, have a similar problem. In my case, however, is my choice. I am more of a introvert. The great difference is that I can freely bash the Governing Body and, believe it or not, my family (wife , children, brothers, nephews and nieces) becomes more friendly few hours/days after the rant. Swear to the Spaghetti monster, it's true.

  I mentioned that I live in L.A. in case you live in the area and want to meet, we may have common hobbies and interests, besides our hate of the cult.
  
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  Do they prepare for preaching or do they socialize?

  by never a jw in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my brother (a jw for 30 years) and i purchased a duplex.

  he lives in one house, i live in the other, our common area separating both houses is the backyard.

  we both can see each other's house across our common backyard.

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  Blondie's description sounds quite close
  

  Saename
  

  If my estimates help me right, it wasn't 10 minutes before the text, it was more like 1/2 hour of socializing, then the elder speaks about new literature to offer, and something about how ladies and men do things differently (couldn't hear exactly what), then about 3/4 or more of laughs and lively conversation (not Armageddon definitely)

  Next weekend I will try spying and recording with my cell phone. And perhaps send the recording to Warwick for some input.

  Marina,

  JW's are usually quite pleasant, as long as they don't turn on their doom-and-gloom-for-everyone-but-us switch. I actually will consider bringing some nice pastries filled with apostate poison.

  Steve,

  It wasn't long ago that I saw the same zeal in my brother and other old timers. Now my brother spends a lot of time helping his adult children with their coffee business and does lots of home projects. I don't think he even has a Bible study with anyone anymore. Commonly he had two or three at a time and religion occupied most of his spare time..

  When I question his religion' doctrines and beliefs, instead of defending the JW position he evades the subject by saying

  "we have nowhere to go" or

  "nobody is disfellowshipped for attending university" or

  "to prove 607 bce I am not interested in what archaeology or astronomy have to say, just the Bible" or

  "regarding the Flood, I am not interested in discussing it"

  "i am not interested in the Australia Royal Commission investigation, it must be persecution. People have accused us of being Russian spies"

  etc, etc.
  
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  Are they either leaving or going full on 'cult mode'? No quarter.

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it might just be me imagining things.. i hear things from my jw spies.. from all that's being said, it seems to me that the rank and file(tm), are either waking up to the scam and fading/leaving.

  they are going full on 'cult mode' and acting like 'spiritual police'.. is it just me and my imagination?

  have others noticed this?.

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  Moving out of the status quo is the smart way to go. Stasis is no good. Either, lose members and have more real estate for sale, or grow...yeah... right.
  
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  Do they prepare for preaching or do they socialize?

  by never a jw in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my brother (a jw for 30 years) and i purchased a duplex.

  he lives in one house, i live in the other, our common area separating both houses is the backyard.

  we both can see each other's house across our common backyard.

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  My brother (a JW for 30 years) and I purchased a duplex. He lives in one house, I live in the other, Our common area separating both houses is the backyard. We both can see each other's house across our common backyard. About a year ago he moved from a Spanish congregation to an English congregation and few weeks later he made available his house to meet before Sunday's preaching, from his side of the backyard, under a gazebo with curtains that block my view of the congregants, but not my hearing. I don't think I exaggerate if I say that 4/5 of the time is socializing and 1/5 is for the leader to do his dissertation, or whatever is called. Good for them. Has it been always like this?

  Next week I am going to clock the time they spent socializing versus the time of the preparation for preaching.

  I have to guess, based on what I see in my neighborhood, that the actual preaching is even worse. Perhaps 90 % socializing?
  
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  Another brother steps back

  by konceptual99 in

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  2. friends

  so at the meeting this week it was announced that a certain brother was no longer serving as a ministerial servant.. this is a guy who was brought up in a different country as his family went to serve where the need was greater.

  this is a guy who was home schooled and went straight into pioneering.

  he then went and worked on building projects in various places in europe and africa.

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  never a jw

  The WT is very relevant as long as the governments of the world and lawyers are targeting them to make them pay for their crimes and reclaim the money they stole from innocent people. It will be a while before they lose interest. That's the day that I hope I get to see, when the WT is of no interest to no one, but the hard core, totally brain washed, dying old generation.
  
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  Another brother steps back

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so at the meeting this week it was announced that a certain brother was no longer serving as a ministerial servant.. this is a guy who was brought up in a different country as his family went to serve where the need was greater.

  this is a guy who was home schooled and went straight into pioneering.

  he then went and worked on building projects in various places in europe and africa.

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  Keep them coming. I am 51, and I hope I live long enough to see this cult brought down and turned into an irrelevant dying religion of very old people.